{"id":5406,"date":"2010-06-19T09:35:23","date_gmt":"2010-06-19T14:35:23","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/us\/?p=5406"},"modified":"2015-12-31T16:29:09","modified_gmt":"2015-12-31T15:29:09","slug":"dimmers-used-by-olino","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/olino.org\/blog\/us\/articles\/2010\/06\/19\/dimmers-used-by-olino\/","title":{"rendered":"Dimmers used by OliNo"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignright\" title=\"LiL dimmer\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/12\/lil_lowpowerhalogendimmer1.jpg\" width=\"100\" height=\"100\" \/>When OliNo receives lamps that are dimmable then OliNo has a few dimmers to choose from. Dimmers that are connected between the grid voltage and the lamp have two main principles of operation: phase Wanneer OliNo lampen te meten krijgt die dimbaar zijn, dan heeft OliNo een paar dimmers waaruit ze kan kiezen. De dimmers die rechtstreeks tussen de netspanning en de lamp aangesloten worden kennen een tweetal dim-pincipes: forward phase-cut and reverse phase-cut. Some of it has been explained in an <a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/us\/articles\/2009\/10\/29\/background-measurement-data-lamp-measurement-articles#dimbaarheid\" target=\"_blank\">explanation article<\/a> on this site.<\/p>\n<p>In this article the available dimmers are used for different types of lamps. The current and voltage are measured <em>after<\/em> the dimmer, so the voltage across the lamp and the current through it.<\/p>\n<p>It will become clear that there are different types of dimmers and lamps react differently. We will look at the voltage and current waveforms to see the differences. The article explains whether the lamp tested was well dimmable with a certain dimmer type or not.<\/p>\n<p>Update Dec 013: addition of new dimmer, the Lumeo Domus that works with loads from 7 W\/VA.<\/p>\n<p>Update April 2014: addition of Busch Jaeger LED dimmer 6523 U.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<h2>Measurement setup<\/h2>\n<p>The dimmers used in this article are all of the type to be placed between the grid voltage and the lamp to be dimmed.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/meetopstelling.png\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-15270\" title=\"meetopstelling\" alt=\"meetopstelling\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/meetopstelling-400x77.png\" width=\"400\" height=\"77\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em>The dimmer between the grid voltage and the lamp<\/em><\/p>\n<p>The voltage across the lamp (after the dimmer) and the current through the lamp are measured.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/meetopstelling_meters.png\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-15271\" title=\"meetopstelling_meters\" alt=\"meetopstelling_meters\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/meetopstelling_meters-400x96.png\" width=\"400\" height=\"96\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em>The amp-meter (I) in series with the lamp and the voltage meter (V) parallel to the lamp.<\/em><\/p>\n<h2>The dimmers<\/h2>\n<p>As <a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/us\/articles\/2009\/10\/29\/background-measurement-data-lamp-measurement-articles#dimbaarheid\" target=\"_blank\">explained before<\/a> there are R, C and L type dimmers.<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>The L type dimmers are used for L-type loads (dimmable transformers based on coils, or a load that behaves like a coil-load) and work on the forward phase-cut principle.<\/li>\n<li>The C-type dimmers are used for C-type loads (electronic transformers, to be considered as a capacitive load) and use the reverse phase-cut principle.<\/li>\n<li>The R-type dimmers assume an R-type load, and both C and L type dimmers work well with R-type loads.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h3><strong>RC type Berker dimmer<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p>An RC type dimmer (see also the photo where &#8220;R, C&#8221; is indicated).<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/berker_rc1.jpg\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-15274\" title=\"berker_rc1\" alt=\"berker_rc1\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/berker_rc1-400x358.jpg\" width=\"400\" height=\"358\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em>The used Berker dimmer.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>This dimmer (see <a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/2874_d-gb-nl-f-n-e.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">specification<\/a>) expects minimally 20 VA as a load, which is more than many led lamps that are used as a replacer for current ordinary light bulbs. So it is not sure whether a led lamp that represents a load of &lt; 10 VA is well dimmable with this dimmer (one could put more led lamps in parallel, in order to get a load bigger than 20 VA. However when starting do dim this load will easily drop below 20 VA and still then it is not sure whether the dimmer functions well with the lamps).<\/p>\n<h3><strong>RL type Gira dimmer<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p>A RL type dimmer (also displayed on the dimmer itself, see photo).<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/gira_lr.jpg\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-15275\" title=\"gira_lr\" alt=\"gira_lr\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/gira_lr-400x381.jpg\" width=\"400\" height=\"381\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em>The used Gira dimmer.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>This dimmer (see <a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/06\/03061690_en.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">specification<\/a>) expects minimally 20 VA, again a lot for replacement led lamps. So it is not sure whether a led lamp that represents a load of &lt; 10 VA is well dimmable with this dimmer (one could put more led lamps in parallel, in order to get a load bigger than 20 VA. However when starting do dim this load will easily drop below 20 VA and still then it is not sure whether the dimmer functions well with the lamps).<\/p>\n<h3><strong>Led it Light&#8217;s dimmer, an LRC type dimmer<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p>Led it Light BV has sent a dimmer for dimming small led lights. This dimmer, lacking a specification, is suitable to dim loads from 1 &#8211; 100 VA.<\/p>\n<p>From the measurements done on the voltage waveforms it was concluded that this is a universal dimmer, so it determines by itself what phase-cut type (forward or reverse) works best, depending on the load connected to this dimmer.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone\" title=\"LiL dimmer\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/12\/lil_lowpowerhalogendimmer1.jpg\" width=\"417\" height=\"415\" \/><\/p>\n<p><em>Front view LiL low power dimmer.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/lil_dimmer_back.jpg\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-15277\" title=\"lil_dimmer_back\" alt=\"lil_dimmer_back\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/lil_dimmer_back-400x388.jpg\" width=\"400\" height=\"388\" \/><\/a><br \/>\n<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Back view LiL dimmer.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>This dimmer has a black turnwheel which enables setting the minimal dim-position; the light intensity can be adjusted with it.<\/p>\n<h3><strong>The elimpo dimmer<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p>This dimmer is a universal dimmer, so an LRC type. An advantage is that the dim-position of this dimmer is settable via an analog voltage between 0 &#8211; 10 V (respectively 0 % and 100 %).<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/elimpo_dimmer.png\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-15278\" title=\"elimpo_dimmer\" alt=\"elimpo_dimmer\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/elimpo_dimmer-400x387.png\" width=\"400\" height=\"387\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em>The Elimpo dimmer, a universal LRC type dimmer with a dim position settable via an analog voltage between 0 &#8211; 10 V.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>This dimmer (see <a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/hl-m1x10-nl.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">specs only in Dutch<\/a>) expects minimally 20 VA, again a lot for replacement led lamps. So it is not sure whether a led lamp that represents a load of &lt; 10 VA is well dimmable with this dimmer (one could put more led lamps in parallel, in order to get a load bigger than 20 VA. However when starting do dim this load will easily drop below 20 VA and still then it is not sure whether the dimmer functions well with the lamps).<\/p>\n<h3><strong>A low-cost dimmer<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p>Update on Oct 2011: This is a low-cost dimmer bought in a local Dutch DIY store (De Groenen, Veldhoven). Most likely it is an LR type dimmer, as it can dim incandescent lamps and halogen transformers. The explanation sheet is only in Dutch.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/beschrijving.jpg\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" title=\"beschrijving\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/beschrijving-400x133.jpg\" width=\"400\" height=\"133\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em>Dimmer description<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/dimmer_groenen.jpg\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" title=\"dimmer_groenen\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/dimmer_groenen-360x400.jpg\" width=\"360\" height=\"400\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em>Side view.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/dimmer_groenen_1.jpg\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" title=\"dimmer_groenen_1\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/dimmer_groenen_1-99x87.jpg\" width=\"99\" height=\"87\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em>Extra photo.<\/em><\/p>\n<h3>The Lumeo Domus Led dimmer T39.07<\/h3>\n<p>Update Dec 2013: this is a dimmer using the forward phase-cut principle (LR type). It should work with small loads from 7VA and higher. Should be good for LED lights as well.<\/p>\n<p>This dimmer has a 0-point setting with which you can set the minimum brightness. According to EN 60669-2-1 (8.6.102) the base setup should be such that over the entire load range from 7 &#8211; 100 W\/VA and with a voltage of 230 V &#8211; 10% (minimum value possible) and in the most dimming position that the lamp still should be visible.<\/p>\n<p>This seems logical, as the dimmer should not go to zero since then one expects the lamp being off while it is not.<\/p>\n<p>Herewith a scan of the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/Lumeo-Domus_dimmer.pdf\">mounting instructions<\/a>, and with the note that the German language is most correct. The explanation of the minimum setting is understandable in German and for me at least not in Dutch nor English.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/Lumeo_domus_T39.07.png\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-55812\" title=\"Lumeo_domus_T39.07\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/Lumeo_domus_T39.07.png\" width=\"399\" height=\"388\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em>Front view of the dimmer.<br \/>\n<\/em><\/p>\n<h3>The Busch-Jaeger LED-Dimmer 6523 U<\/h3>\n<p>Update April 2014: this is a dimmer using the forward phase-cut principle (LR type). It should work with small loads from 2VA and minimum current of 20 mA. Should be made for LED lights.<\/p>\n<p>This dimmer has a 0-point setting with which you can set the minimum brightness. I suppose the same way of setting it should be applied as explained in the manual of the Lumeo Domus (which said: <em>According to EN 60669-2-1 (8.6.102) the base setup should be such that over the entire load range from 7 &#8211; 100 W\/VA and with a voltage of 230 V &#8211; 10% (minimum value possible) and in the most dimming position that the lamp still should be visible<\/em>).<\/p>\n<p>This seems logical, as the dimmer should not go to zero since then one expects the lamp being off while it is not.<\/p>\n<p>Herewith the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/us\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/06\/6523U-A_II1.pdf\">user manual<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/images_ONLINE_f_6523u-500.jpg\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-60169\" alt=\"images_ONLINE_f_6523u-500\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/images_ONLINE_f_6523u-500-400x379.jpg\" width=\"400\" height=\"379\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em>Front view of the dimmer.<\/em><\/p>\n<h3><a name=\"waarschuwing_dimmer\"><\/a>Remark\/warning<\/h3>\n<p>A remark or warning is needed. As explained above there are two basic principles to dim, when the dimmer is placed between the load and the grid voltage. This is either an C(R)- or an L(R)-type dimmer. The dimmer should be adapted to the load used, meaning an L(R) -type dimmer on inductive loads and the C(R)-type dimmer on capacitive loads.<\/p>\n<p>It is not recommenable to connect for a (longer) time a CR-type dimmer to an L-type load. This can be explained as follows: a CR-type dimmer uses reverse phase-cut. This means that the voltage is cut off at a certain moment. It remains cut-off until the voltage passes the 0 V value and then it is passed on to the load, until the next moment it is cut-off all at once.<\/p>\n<p>With an L-type load, this means that the current through it is built up since the voltage increases from 0 V to higher values. At the moment the voltage is about to be cut-off, then a current is flowing through the L-type load and this load will try to keep it flowing, also by generating hight voltages which could damage the load itself or the dimmer itself.<\/p>\n<p>Also pay attention to when a dimmer is humming when used. This humming comes from microvibrations of its components. If there is a mismatch between dimmer and load, then high peak currents that might result generate high frequency electromagnetic fields that generate a physical stress on the components, at such frequencies that little movements of the components can be heard as humming. This reduces the reliability and lifetime of the dimmer considerably.<\/p>\n<p>So pay attention to the correct match between dimmer and load to prevent high peak curents to flow, and beware of humming sounds coming from the dimmer.<\/p>\n<p>The tests reported below are conducted during a short time and when it became clear that the dimming effect did not work well for certain loads, the test with that dimmer and load was immediately stopped.<\/p>\n<h2><strong>The measured lamps and the measurement results<br \/>\n<\/strong><\/h2>\n<h3><strong>Incandescent light bulb 60W<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/incandescent_lamp_60w.jpg\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-15280\" title=\"incandescent_lamp_60w\" alt=\"incandescent_lamp_60w\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/incandescent_lamp_60w-400x248.jpg\" width=\"400\" height=\"248\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em>An incandescent light bulb, which is an R-type load.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>A suitable bulb to show the effect of an L and C type dimmer. The load is 60 W and even when dimmin to 0 %, the load still is close to 20 W, very suitable for the dimmers that OliNo has available.<\/p>\n<table border=\"0\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<th>Dimmer+Explanation<\/th>\n<th>Representative U-I image<\/th>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Berker RCReverse phase-cut is well visible; the voltage is cut off at a certain moment. The current follows right away as the load is resistive.<\/td>\n<td><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/60wincandescent_berker_rc_50_u_i_waveforms.png\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-15283\" title=\"60wincandescent_berker_rc_50_u_i_waveforms\" alt=\"60wincandescent_berker_rc_50_u_i_waveforms\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/60wincandescent_berker_rc_50_u_i_waveforms-400x222.png\" width=\"400\" height=\"222\" \/><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Gira RLForward phase-cut is well visible. At a certain moment the voltage is switched on. The current follows immediately since the load is R-type.<\/td>\n<td><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/60wincandescent_gira_rl_75_u_i_waveforms.png\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-15284\" title=\"60wincandescent_gira_rl_75_u_i_waveforms\" alt=\"60wincandescent_gira_rl_75_u_i_waveforms\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/60wincandescent_gira_rl_75_u_i_waveforms-400x222.png\" width=\"400\" height=\"222\" \/><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>LiL low power RLCThe LiL dimmer uses reverse phase-cut.<\/td>\n<td><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/60wincandescent_lil_875_u_i_waveforms.png\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-15285\" title=\"60wincandescent_lil_875_u_i_waveforms\" alt=\"60wincandescent_lil_875_u_i_waveforms\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/60wincandescent_lil_875_u_i_waveforms-400x222.png\" width=\"400\" height=\"222\" \/><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Elimpo RLCThe Elimpo uses the forward phase cut.<\/td>\n<td><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/60wincandescent_elimpo_80percent_u_i_waveforms.png\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-15286\" title=\"60wincandescent_elimpo_80percent_u_i_waveforms\" alt=\"60wincandescent_elimpo_80percent_u_i_waveforms\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/60wincandescent_elimpo_80percent_u_i_waveforms-400x222.png\" width=\"400\" height=\"222\" \/><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<h3><strong>Halogene light bulb with transformer<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/halogen_plus_transformer.jpg\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-15282\" title=\"halogen_plus_transformer\" alt=\"halogen_plus_transformer\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/halogen_plus_transformer-400x304.jpg\" width=\"400\" height=\"304\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em>Halogene light bulb with electronic transformer.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>In this case an electronic transformer is used. Therefore it is expected that, when dimmable, it will be with the C-type dimmer.<\/p>\n<table border=\"0\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<th>Dimmer + explanation<\/th>\n<th>Representative U-I image<\/th>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Berker RC,Reverse phase-cut, such that the current rise is controlled (which would not be the case when voltage is switched on suddenly). The dimming action worked but not perfect, it was not well possible to dim to very low illuminance levels.<\/td>\n<td><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/ar111_50w_12v_rc_25_u_i_waveforms.png\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-15287\" title=\"ar111_50w_12v_rc_25_u_i_waveforms\" alt=\"ar111_50w_12v_rc_25_u_i_waveforms\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/ar111_50w_12v_rc_25_u_i_waveforms-400x222.png\" width=\"400\" height=\"222\" \/><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Gira RL,Forward phase-cut; when switching on the voltage the current rises very quickly resulting in many higher harmonics. The dimming action did not work well.<\/td>\n<td><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/ar111_50w_12v_rl_50_u_i_waveforms.png\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-15288\" title=\"ar111_50w_12v_rl_50_u_i_waveforms\" alt=\"ar111_50w_12v_rl_50_u_i_waveforms\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/ar111_50w_12v_rl_50_u_i_waveforms-400x222.png\" width=\"400\" height=\"222\" \/><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>LiL low power RLC,Reverse phase-cut, the correct way to dim a C-type load. This results in an increase of the current in a controlled way.The dimming action worked but not perfect at low illuminance levels.<\/td>\n<td><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/ar111_50w_12v_lil_75_u_i_waveforms.png\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-15289\" title=\"ar111_50w_12v_lil_75_u_i_waveforms\" alt=\"ar111_50w_12v_lil_75_u_i_waveforms\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/ar111_50w_12v_lil_75_u_i_waveforms-400x222.png\" width=\"400\" height=\"222\" \/><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Elimpo RLC,Uses forward phase-cut. Not optimal as the current rises very quickly the moment the voltage is switched on.The dimming action did not work well.<\/td>\n<td><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/ar111_50w_12v_elimpo_75_u_i_waveforms.png\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-15290\" title=\"ar111_50w_12v_elimpo_75_u_i_waveforms\" alt=\"ar111_50w_12v_elimpo_75_u_i_waveforms\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/ar111_50w_12v_elimpo_75_u_i_waveforms-400x222.png\" width=\"400\" height=\"222\" \/><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<h3><strong>CFL dimmable<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p>Inside a CFL an electronic voltage transformer is used. One would expect a C-type dimmer to do the job best. The power drawn is only 11 W, so it might be too little for the dimmers that expect 20 VA minimally.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/calexcfl.jpg\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-15291\" title=\"calexcfl\" alt=\"calexcfl\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/calexcfl-400x191.jpg\" width=\"400\" height=\"191\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em>The dimmable CFL<\/em><\/p>\n<table border=\"0\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<th>Dimmer + explanation<\/th>\n<th>Representative U-I image<\/th>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Berker RC,In the minimal (0%) dim position the reverse phase-cut was visible. Only then the lamp was somewhat dimmed.<\/td>\n<td><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/calex11wcfl_dimble_berker_rc_0_u_i_waveforms.png\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-15292\" title=\"calex11wcfl_dimble_berker_rc_0_u_i_waveforms\" alt=\"calex11wcfl_dimble_berker_rc_0_u_i_waveforms\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/calex11wcfl_dimble_berker_rc_0_u_i_waveforms-400x222.png\" width=\"400\" height=\"222\" \/><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Gira RL,It was not well possible dimming the lamp with this dimmer. The lamp started even to flicker.With a 50 % dim setting the foward phase-cut is just visible; a peak in the voltage and hence in the current.<\/td>\n<td><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/calex11wcfl_dimble_gira_lr_50_u_i_waveforms.png\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-15293\" title=\"calex11wcfl_dimble_gira_lr_50_u_i_waveforms\" alt=\"calex11wcfl_dimble_gira_lr_50_u_i_waveforms\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/calex11wcfl_dimble_gira_lr_50_u_i_waveforms-400x222.png\" width=\"400\" height=\"222\" \/><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>LiL low power RLC,Reverse phase-cut. After switching off the voltage, still a remaining voltage is present, most likely coming from the capacitor inside the voltage transformer.With this dimmer the lamp was dimmable. This dimmer also works with small loads (&lt; 20 VA).<\/td>\n<td><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/calex11wcfl_dimble_lil_50_u_i_waveforms.png\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-15294\" title=\"calex11wcfl_dimble_lil_50_u_i_waveforms\" alt=\"calex11wcfl_dimble_lil_50_u_i_waveforms\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/calex11wcfl_dimble_lil_50_u_i_waveforms-400x222.png\" width=\"400\" height=\"222\" \/><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Elimpo RLC,Forward phase-cut as the voltage us switched on all of a sudden. Not an optimal solution as it will result in peak-currents. One would expect this universal dimmer to use the reverse phase-cut, but maybe it wasn&#8217;t chosen as the load &lt;&lt; 20 VA.<\/td>\n<td><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/calex11wcfl_dimble_elimpo_60_u_i_waveforms.png\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-15295\" title=\"calex11wcfl_dimble_elimpo_60_u_i_waveforms\" alt=\"calex11wcfl_dimble_elimpo_60_u_i_waveforms\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/calex11wcfl_dimble_elimpo_60_u_i_waveforms-400x222.png\" width=\"400\" height=\"222\" \/><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<h3><strong>Dimmable 8 W led lamp<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p>A led light bulb normally also contains an electronic transformer, so expected the C-type dimmer to work best.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/ledlamp_8w_dimbaar.jpg\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-15296\" title=\"ledlamp_8w_dimbaar\" alt=\"ledlamp_8w_dimbaar\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/ledlamp_8w_dimbaar-400x221.jpg\" width=\"400\" height=\"221\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><em>Dimmable led light bulb.<\/em><\/p>\n<table border=\"0\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<th>Dimmer + explanation<\/th>\n<th>Representative U-I image<\/th>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Berker RCThe dimmer has no effect, the lamp continues to burn.<\/td>\n<td><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/ledprojects_berker_rc_0_u_i_waveforms.png\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-15297\" title=\"ledprojects_berker_rc_0_u_i_waveforms\" alt=\"ledprojects_berker_rc_0_u_i_waveforms\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/ledprojects_berker_rc_0_u_i_waveforms-400x222.png\" width=\"400\" height=\"222\" \/><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Gira RLForward phase-cut seems to work well. In this image the increase in voltage is relatively slow and one would expect the voltage to be put instantaneously on the lamp. As the current rises quickly, it can be that this limited the speed of increase of the voltage.<\/td>\n<td><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/ledprojects_gira_lr_75_u_i_waveforms.png\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-15298\" title=\"ledprojects_gira_lr_75_u_i_waveforms\" alt=\"ledprojects_gira_lr_75_u_i_waveforms\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/ledprojects_gira_lr_75_u_i_waveforms-400x222.png\" width=\"400\" height=\"222\" \/><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>LiL low power RLCThe dimer works on forward phase-cut and the lamp seems well dimmable.<\/td>\n<td><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/ledprojects_lil_625_u_i_waveforms.png\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-15299\" title=\"ledprojects_lil_625_u_i_waveforms\" alt=\"ledprojects_lil_625_u_i_waveforms\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/ledprojects_lil_625_u_i_waveforms-400x222.png\" width=\"400\" height=\"222\" \/><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Elimpo RLCAlso forward phase-cut. The dimming aciton works less well as with the other two dimmers, maybe because the power of the lamp &lt; 20 VA.<\/td>\n<td><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/ledprojects_elimpo_50_u_i_waveforms.png\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-15300\" title=\"ledprojects_elimpo_50_u_i_waveforms\" alt=\"ledprojects_elimpo_50_u_i_waveforms\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/ledprojects_elimpo_50_u_i_waveforms-400x222.png\" width=\"400\" height=\"222\" \/><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<h3><strong>Dimmable led light bulb 6W<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p>A led light bulb normally also contains an electronic transformer, so expected the C-type dimmer to work best.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/01\/pharoxiii_end2009.jpg\" width=\"296\" height=\"323\" \/><\/p>\n<p><em>Dimmable led light bulb.<\/em><\/p>\n<table border=\"0\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<th>Dimmer + explanation<\/th>\n<th>Representative U-I image<\/th>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Berker RCThe dimmer has no effect. The lamp continues to burn. It might be because the load is too low for the dimmer (see also next dimmability test, with 4 of these lamps), as the voltage is still a nice sine and there is no sign of any phase cut.<\/td>\n<td><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/pharoxiii_berker_rc_50_u_i_waveforms.png\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-15301\" title=\"pharoxiii_berker_rc_50_u_i_waveforms\" alt=\"pharoxiii_berker_rc_50_u_i_waveforms\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/pharoxiii_berker_rc_50_u_i_waveforms-400x222.png\" width=\"400\" height=\"222\" \/><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Gira RLForward phase-cut works. The resulting current is very odd. Still the lamp is well dimmable.<\/td>\n<td><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/pharoxiii_gira_lr_75_u_i_waveforms.png\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-15302\" title=\"pharoxiii_gira_lr_75_u_i_waveforms\" alt=\"pharoxiii_gira_lr_75_u_i_waveforms\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/pharoxiii_gira_lr_75_u_i_waveforms-400x222.png\" width=\"400\" height=\"222\" \/><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>LiL low power RLCForward phase cut. The current is much more as expected (not a big increase before the switch action). It could be linked to the fact that this dimmer is suitable for lower powers.<\/td>\n<td><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/pharoxiii_lil_625_u_i_waveforms.png\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-15303\" title=\"pharoxiii_lil_625_u_i_waveforms\" alt=\"pharoxiii_lil_625_u_i_waveforms\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/pharoxiii_lil_625_u_i_waveforms-400x222.png\" width=\"400\" height=\"222\" \/><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Elimpo RLCForward phase-cut. Dimming action not perfect. Also strange that a current runs when the voltage = 0 V.<\/td>\n<td><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/pharoxiii_elimpo_80_u_i_waveforms.png\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-15304\" title=\"pharoxiii_elimpo_80_u_i_waveforms\" alt=\"pharoxiii_elimpo_80_u_i_waveforms\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/pharoxiii_elimpo_80_u_i_waveforms-400x222.png\" width=\"400\" height=\"222\" \/><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<h3><strong>4 x Dimmable led light bulb, 6W<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p>Now four led light bulbs are switched in parallel behind the dimmer. Resulting in a load of 20 VA. This to verify whether the dimming action with the dimmers expecting &gt; 20 VA works better now.<\/p>\n<p>However the total load starts at 100 % dimmer position at &gt; 20 VA but will drop quickly below 20 VA hen diming is started. It can still result in a not perfectly working dimming action.<\/p>\n<p>The results found in this section can be compared with the results found with the previously tested single lamp.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/01\/pharoxiii_end2009.jpg\" width=\"107\" height=\"116\" \/><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/01\/pharoxiii_end2009.jpg\" width=\"107\" height=\"116\" \/><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/01\/pharoxiii_end2009.jpg\" width=\"107\" height=\"116\" \/><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/01\/pharoxiii_end2009.jpg\" width=\"107\" height=\"116\" \/><\/p>\n<p><em>4x dimmable led light bulbs in parallel behind the dimmer.<\/em><\/p>\n<table border=\"0\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<th>Dimmer + explanation<\/th>\n<th>Representative U-I image<\/th>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Berker RCThe dimmer works with a position in the range of 0 &#8211; 50 %. Then the lamps are dimmed somewhat.The voltage waveform is not a sine anymore, still it doesn&#8217;t look like reverse phase-cut. Not a suitable dimmer for this load.<\/td>\n<td><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/4xpharoxiii_berker_rc_15_u_i_waveforms.png\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-15319\" title=\"4xpharoxiii_berker_rc_15_u_i_waveforms\" alt=\"4xpharoxiii_berker_rc_15_u_i_waveforms\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/4xpharoxiii_berker_rc_15_u_i_waveforms-400x222.png\" width=\"400\" height=\"222\" \/><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Gira RLForward phase-cut works well. Still a little illuminance remains at 0 % dim position, which is normal.This image reveals the forward phase-cut with a current waveform more normal than with one lamp. The current waveform looks like the waveform with the LiL dimmer on one lamp.<\/td>\n<td><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/4xpharoxiii_gira_rl_75_u_i_waveforms.png\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-15320\" title=\"4xpharoxiii_gira_rl_75_u_i_waveforms\" alt=\"4xpharoxiii_gira_rl_75_u_i_waveforms\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/4xpharoxiii_gira_rl_75_u_i_waveforms-400x222.png\" width=\"400\" height=\"222\" \/><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>LiL low power RLCThe dimmer uses forward phase cut and the lamps are well dimmable.<\/td>\n<td><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/4xpharoxiii_lil_625_u_i_waveforms.png\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-15321\" title=\"4xpharoxiii_lil_625_u_i_waveforms\" alt=\"4xpharoxiii_lil_625_u_i_waveforms\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/4xpharoxiii_lil_625_u_i_waveforms-400x222.png\" width=\"400\" height=\"222\" \/><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td>Elimpo RLCAlso forward phase-cut. Dimming works less well as with the other two dimmers.<\/td>\n<td><a href=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/4xpharoxiii_elimpo_60_u_i_waveforms.png\" class=\"thickbox no_icon\"><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-15322\" title=\"4xpharoxiii_elimpo_60_u_i_waveforms\" alt=\"4xpharoxiii_elimpo_60_u_i_waveforms\" src=\"http:\/\/www.olino.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/05\/4xpharoxiii_elimpo_60_u_i_waveforms-400x222.png\" width=\"400\" height=\"222\" \/><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<h2>Conclusions<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li>The working principle of the RC and LR type dimmers is easily seen with an R-type load, such as with an incandescent lamp.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>When the dimmer is suitable for loads &gt; 20 VA then it is not sure whether it will work (well) with loads &lt; or &lt;&lt; 20 VA. One can give it a try. Switching lamps in parallel is no guarantee for a good dim-operation.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>When the dimmer is suited for loads &gt; 1 VA, this has a positive effect on the dimmability of the low poer dimmable lamps used. The universal type (LRC-type) dimmer chooses the best dim-operation.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<ul>\n<li>A (certain or specific) led light bulb, expected to have an electronic tranformer and therefore assume dto work best with RC type dimmers, works best with the forward phase-cut (L-type dimmer). Maybe the led light bulbs are built this way to operate best with these dimmer type.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>When OliNo receives lamps that are dimmable then OliNo has a few dimmers to choose from. Dimmers that are connected between the grid voltage and the lamp have two main principles of operation: phase Wanneer OliNo lampen te meten krijgt die dimbaar zijn, dan heeft OliNo een paar dimmers waaruit ze kan kiezen. 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